Bill Resnick interviews John Cavanagh, director of the large and influential Institute for Policy Studies for 20 years. A Washington insider, Cavanagh wrote 12 important books and also worked in the trenches of the environmental and poor peoples’ movements. John and Bill analyze the Biden American Jobs Plan, the multiple trillion dollar proposal likely to pass in some form, that functions as his Administration’s stimulus, covid relief, and Infrastructure program. It features something for everyone, including many billions for the coal industry and nuclear power interests and hundreds of billions for highways. Certainly when all the squabbling and fighting is over, when it gets though the Congress, after the lobbyists do their work, U.S. corporations will get most of the funding. But that’s just part of the story. Bill and John address whether left movements allied with the Congressional Progressive Caucus can summon up the will and capacity to gain substantial funds for developing multiple carbon zero cities. That is zero greenhouse gas pollution that to show the way toward greatly reducing climate change and maintaining a habitable living planet.